15 - Cannabis

Explore the pros and cons of Cannibis. How it has changed over the last ten years and where it is heading in the future.

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Welcome everybody to another episode of the Eiler perspective today. We're going to be talking about a very large perspective change The change of perspective of cannabis. Yeah, we're gonna learn a whole lot of different things both the positive and negative sides and and see What's in the news regarding cannabis? Let's get into this so cannabis or hemp plants were one of the most popular crops for our early founding fathers, right? You can use hemp for so many different things, but it was used often to really strong cordage. The thing is it grows really fast, right? So it's renewable. If we had all these fields with hemp plants, Kyler, we'd be able to have a lot more paper, a lot more rope, all these other things without having to chop down trees that take forever to grow. Right. Yeah. I knew about hemp clothing and hemp shoes and all sorts of different other industries that they use it in way back when. And it was a huge source of renewable, Sources. Yeah. Yeah. And in a lot of medications during those early days, they were actually putting so the beginning right hemp, it doesn't have those THC, THC properties on it. Right. They ended up getting plants that did and they started using it as medicine early, like founding father days, they had medicine with, with THC in it and CBD and it was going really well. But then. You have something that kind of hits that's called the cannabis hysteria as one of the terms that they use for it and Basically in the early 20th century cannabis was associated with Mexican immigrants and African Americans So kind of a racial and ethnic prejudices that came into place with it And in fact that's kind of stoked a fear For their communities because the government wanted it gone and they changed the name of cannabis to marijuana And they did that essentially to emphasize its Mexican origins. They wanted to have a negative connotation. So a racist background on cannabis. And that's why they gave the name marijuana. And then they started making it seem as this terrible drug that was going to cause hysteria and psychosis and robbery and all these things. And they were trying to tie that With a racist background, which is so messed up. Interesting. So before the founding fathers were using cannabis as both like herbal remedies and the sustainability and clothing and whatnot. But once they started having more immigration. And they felt like they wanted to demonize it in a sense. Yeah, essentially, so there was some political and economic motives to it. So there was basically competing industries. You had timber and paper, you had pharmaceutical industries, and they saw hemp as a threat, and so they lobbied against it. Then you also had I can't pronounce his last name very well. His name's Harry Anslinger. He was the first commissioner of the Bureau of the Bureau of Narcotics, and he played a huge role in demonetizing the cannabis through media campaigns and testimonies, and so they had like movies that were actually sponsored by the governments where they showed people using cannabis and then they went crazy and started murdering people. Talking about like Pineapple Express? That one's funny, but yeah, at the beginning of it, right? So you had like in the down in the underneath the crop field there, you had the guy smoking and so it's so funny, dude. But yeah, they actually had like a movie. I was watching a documentary on Hulu the other day about it. It was a movie where it literally showed somebody smoking cannabis. And then the guy went crazy and started murdering people. And so they're trying to put this severe fear and it really, it's Honestly just came down to competing industries trying to get rid of it. Well, it's interesting that you say that because the competition amongst industries, especially huge ones like pharmaceutical or paper and stuff like that. Like these are massive industries that have been around forever. They have billions of dollars of backing. And so if there's something that could be positive or good that would undercut their income, they're going to fight hard tooth and nail to get that stuff. dissipated or taken out completely and I've seen that a lot especially recently because I feel like there's kind of been like this paradigm shift where people are wanting to be more holistic or more all natural and less like chemical based or or chemical dependent and with that I know that there's been a huge threat to the pharmaceutical industry especially. Yeah, well pharma has a lot of money. We, we know that they have tons of ways to make money. They find a problem. Health wise and they're going to find a band aid for it, but it doesn't necessarily solve the problems all the time. Sometimes it does, right? And thank goodness for, for pharmaceuticals that have given life a lot more longevity, longevity. And you know, there's a lot of good things from pharmaceuticals, so I'm not going to knock it, but there's definitely competition there. And that movie, I remember the name of the movie. It's called reefer madness. So reefer madness came out in 1936. And so. It shows violence and moral decay is kind of what it's trying to do. And so the government sensationalized that in the news and that started becoming their campaigns showing that it's dangerous and untrustworthy. And then it was in 1937. So only a year after that movie that there was the marijuana tax act placed and which basically banned cannabis by imposing really heavy taxes on it and the selling distribution was kind of like alcohol, where they just want to. Prohibited so they either made it illegal or made it almost impossible for people to afford it back then. Yeah Yeah, exactly So that's that's kind of where the background of like the negative view of cannabis came from which is crazy because I didn't know that Right. I just figured it was always viewed the same and it never had like this positive look on it and originally it did I mean, we were always taught the same thing, you know Marijuana or cannabis was the devil's lettuce and then it was a gateway drug to get you hooked on You All the other harder drugs and that your life was just gonna fall into moral decay If if you walked in through this gateway, yeah And it's crazy because now things have changed quite a bit, over just the past couple of years even Some years forward we're going to be seeing some cool things which we'll talk about but really kind of the 20th century and the the research that has started going into medical use for cannabis has really changed perspective that people have had on it, right? If you can see something and say, Oh, there's a medical purpose for it, then it no longer has that negative connotation. So there's been a lot of research for cannabis, particularly in helping epilepsy, chronic pain, multiple sclerosis, insomnia, right? There's a lot of different things that it can be used to help medically PTSD, which is a huge one. Yeah. You have ulcerative colitis, stomach issues. Like there's so many things. That cannabis can help and so that's changed the view on it And that started the push of getting cannabis in various states, even though it's illegal on the federal level Each state has been given the opportunity essentially to make their own rules And so you have you know utah where you can have it medically, but that didn't always used to be the case in fact becca and I we This is horrible. We struggled to vote For local government stuff even though it's the one that's actually important But we went and voted when they had the opportunity to vote for cannabis to be Recreational funny enough. The state of Utah popular vote was to allow it to be legalized. It passed and everyone was stoked, but the state of Utah still said no and didn't make it recreational, but it is, it is medical now, which is cool. Yeah. Which is important because like you, I feel like there's gotta be some sort of checks and balances with it. Like, I, I don't, I don't think it can be, I mean, especially in Utah. They monetize everything you can't just go and buy liquor from like the grocery store like you can in some states Like that they have their own liquor store or liquor exchange or alcohol exchange or whatever you want to call it I wouldn't be surprised if in the future utah finds a way of Monetizing the marijuana stores if they were to make it recreational And say well, yeah, it's recreational but you can only buy it from the state sponsored right companies. Well, so You That's kind of what they did. They basically only gave out a certain amount of licenses for the dispensaries and you have to go through a long process and the taxes on cannabis in Utah is so high compared to, like, California. Oh, it's because the government wants their piece. Which, but it makes sense, right? And I think it plays part in, like, making it be accepted. So not only was there medical research that changes things, there's advocacy for people who have gone through it, but also the economic incentives. The amount of money that states are making from taxes from cannabis is insanely high. We're in the billions. Oh yeah. And so it makes sense, you know, to tax cannabis. And it sucks for people who are paying for a high amount, but like I'm willing to pay that amount to be able to have it if that's what it takes, you know? Well I think, I think the government also kind of saw the dollar signs because like, Before they legalized it medicinally or, or for some states recreationally, It was still being sold. People were still selling marijuana. People are still buying marijuana. Yeah, but the state wasn't getting their cut. Yeah. And now that they see, and it was more dangerous, way more dangerous. And now that you see that the state has those dollar signs in their eyes and can see the potential money for the state in the long run, it only makes sense to bring it up out of. Illegality so that they can profit off of it as well. Yeah yeah, and you know, I gotta say I a lot of people give Crap to the cannabis based out of utah, but i've had really good results from the cannabis in utah And it seems to be very consistent. I know what I can count on and While it's more expensive. I do feel a little bit of a sense of security in it and that could just be naive me, right but You I think having it being watched is not only allowing growth and expansion of cannabis for specific strains to treat certain, you know, conditions or ailments or, you know, to make it do certain things. It's allowing us to make sure that we're not having it laced or cut with anything as well. Okay. So you mentioned something that I'm not very familiar with cause I've, I've never used cannabis. I've never, I had the opportunity to once in junior high, where the, where this kid that I know, who I don't even know is still alive, like cornered me in the, in the men, in the boys locker room. And I was like in the middle of changing my clothes and he's like, Hey man, you want some weed? And I was just like, in middle school? At Diamond Fork? No, no, no, no. At Spanish Fork Junior High. Oh, okay. That makes more sense. And he was like the weirdest dude. And at that time I was on the basketball team and I was just like, And I was like, nah, dude, like this is going to ruin everything because like, it was just, it was an easy no for me. Yeah. And so that was the only experience that I ever really had. And so I have no experience with it. So you're, you're mentioning something about how it was I lost my train of thought. We were talking about it be like treating certain ailments, being able to grow for certain strains. Oh, no, you're talking about how Utah specifically has like a, a more stringent, is it like more controlled where people like know what amount is in each gummy or what it may be or blister pack or whatever it is, however they do it. Yeah. So there's a few different things. So Utah isn't able to have. Utah is kind of boring, but I think it's okay as well. So Utah doesn't want the edibles to be enticing to kids, right? So there's some states that have like nerds, candy ropes that are THC or Skittles, or I've had a fruity pebble rice crispy, right? And so Utah doesn't have those. They don't want kids to mix them up. There was actually a story that I read a few years ago of people who dropped food and candy off at a. Food pantry and they dropped off a nerds rope The mom didn't know that the son had a THC nerds rope and the kid was hospitalized. Oh, really? Yeah Well that would also make sense like all the people because I mean I've trick or treated for years and I've never gotten anything that was Questionable ever. Yeah, but I guess that could I could see people being concerned about that for their kids. Exactly So Utah's really strict on that. They're strict on the packaging making it very difficult to open. Sometimes I get pissed Packages And then, I don't know so much about, like, if Utah has more strict laws on the quantity in each amount, but I know that at the beginning of edibles, so when cannabis was first introduced, Legalized for recreational in Colorado. It was the flower and then the business started growing to edibles, but there was no specific Requirements on what the max amount was and so people would go and they would pound a whole chocolate bar not realizing that a whole Chocolate bar was like 300 milligrams and they were just in for a gnarly ride. Yeah So what is like the average average milligram intake? So you're typically going to see about a five to ten milligram milligram Per serving of THC. Now there's various mixtures that you will find of THC, CBD, CBN, like there's, there's so many different things they can plug into it, but typically five to 10, if you're going to be starting, it's your first time. I suggest personally starting at like maybe 2. 5, like cutting one of those fives and a half, and then moving up from there just to see how your body takes it. Because for myself, so I didn't start using cannabis until I was 30. And I was able to do, like, 2. 5 and I was feeling great. Yeah. Right? Now my tolerance has gone up. But I also think it has more to do as well with like, I know what I'm experiencing going through. Yeah. And I want more or less of that experience. Yeah. What, what have you noticed is the personal benefits positive that you've had for the last couple of years of using it? Yeah. Well, I kind of want to go just real quick into my perspective change on it. Sure. Cause similar to you, like I always had the view of cannabis is horrible. Yeah. I swear I was never going to do it. Partially because my dad being a police officer growing up told me if I ever did drugs I was going to be kicked out of the house And so I was like, well, okay, i'm never gonna do any of these things I had friends who were smoking cannabis and they wanted they're like dude the first time you do it It's got to be with me and I was like, well, i'm not gonna do it. I didn't until I was about 30. So my first Experience to cannabis I have ibs and my stomach was in a lot of pain cramping horrible My mother in law gave me a tincture which is just an oil with, with THC and seeds. Is that like one of those like the, the, the Utah Mormon mom MLMs, like the doTERRA and the different ones like that? Right, it's basically like like a dropper? Yeah. Like a drop of peppermint? It was in like a, a vial, it wasn't a drop, but it was like, yeah, you like suck it up in the dropper and squeeze it in your mouth. Okay. That's exactly what it is. Like, yeah, if you're using essential oils, it's basically the same thing, just a different plant. Gotcha. And so I used that and it was crazy. My stomach cramps went away. My IBS symptoms went away. I was, I was better. How quickly did that happen? 30 minutes. Really? It was great. How long did that last? I don't remember. It's been so long, but, but I don't remember having IBS issues the rest of that trip. How long was the trip? Like a week? Like a week. Wow. Yeah. So that was my first exposure. And then a friend brought some back from Colorado, an edible, and I had that. And that's when I had the whole Bob Ross experience. Oh, yeah the painting thing. Yeah And then I didn't really use it much after that. I I tried the the tincture every once in a while I actually think you called me during that I probably did when you had that because you were telling me life was layers. Yeah, and you could see all the layers Yeah, I probably did becca took my phone but and then I went to a doctor About a year year and a half ago because I could not sleep You At all I was I was getting like two or three hours of sleep at night And that had lasted since my son had been born So it'd been like three years of two to three hours of sleep at night I was doing everything I could to be able to get sleep It was causing my stomach to have more issues with ibs and the doctor said, you know, have you ever considered trying cannabis and I was like Yeah, let's go for it and turns out there's a dispensary like a couple blocks from my house and so I was able to go there you meet with the There's a doctor on site, or a pharmacist is what they call it, the pharmacist, so you talk to them, tell them what you're going through, and then they make suggestions on what to get, and kind of teach you what you're looking for. So you're not just going in there blind, you talk to somebody who knows what they're doing. Yeah. And then you go talk to the bud tenders, who's the one who will give you the cannabis. What's it called? Bud tender. Bud tender, gotcha. Okay. I, yeah. So then I selected a few things to help me sleep, and Kyler that first night I slept through the night. I woke up the next day and I was like, oh my gosh, I feel so good I slept all night long. I feel amazing. Yeah, I wonder what that would be like, dude. Nice. It's incredible the the sleep that you get On an edible like actual deep sleep. It is deep sleep. Your dreams are insane Like it is so cool. And then you just wake up feeling good Sometimes like if you took a higher dose, you'll feel a little bit groggy But You got a full night's sleep like your body's rested ever since our dreams episode I started to notice that i'm having way more dreams. Nice, and they're weird. Nice dreams. I don't know why dude I love that. You gotta start writing those down. I gotta hear about that. We can throw them into the dream interpreter Yeah, I know right? Check that out But i'd say the biggest things that i'm seeing benefits wise on cannabis one My perspective changed because I had this view of cannabis being the gateway drug to being this horrible thing You know only stoners geeks and losers. Yeah, has it led you all into More illegal drugs. No, so the only the only drugs that i've ever had is is cannabis Obviously, there's like the medical drugs that you know, doctors are giving me like Prescriptions. Yeah, and then It did I did try alcohol, but I wouldn't say that cannabis is leading me down this crazy path. I do think that it's wise For children or college or high school students not maybe not college High school students not to use it, right like It has negative impacts for high schoolers. I don't think high schoolers should be using cannabis I'm, so glad I never used cannabis in high school Yeah, but as an adult who recognizes like my limits and boundaries and understands the fragility of life Like i'm not going out and driving while i'm stoned, right? That makes no sense, right? Yeah, I get why there's points when people think like, oh i'm totally fine. I can do this And I would see myself feeling that way if I was in high school, but as an adult You I sit back for a second close my eyes like oh, yeah, i'm probably not good to drive. Yeah, you know what I mean? Oh, yeah that's one of the things that I think that's interesting because I feel like I don't know just from my perspective I feel like alcohol is a lot more destructive and dangerous than cannabis I mean i've seen people drive under the influence of both however, I feel like because of the You Accessibility of alcohol and the way people consume it and how it works in the body and what not. That it can be just as dangerous, if not more dangerous in a sense. And I remember testing with alcohol, seeing what it would be like to be at a 08 back before the law changed to 05 for DUI. I was not functioning at 0. 08, like 0. 08 I was laying on the ground. I was sick, like my vision had like tunneled to where all I could see was like carpet fibers and I was like, there's no way I would ever drive in this condition. And like, even now I don't, if I drink, I never tried to get to a 0. 05 because that's like, that's no fun for me. Yeah. And so. It just makes me interested with cannabis where there's a lot of positive side effects. And like you said, you know, your limits. So it's not like you're just going to go out and drive stone. I feel like it's gotta be, there's gotta be some similar threshold to alcohol and the rate that it burns off in your body so that you are safe to drive again. Yeah. So that's where it gets tricky, right? So smoking cannabis versus eating cannabis is different. So if you smoke cannabis, you're going to feel that high. Quicker, like 10 minutes, if not immediately, depends on the person, right? To 30 minutes. And then it's going to wear off around in that same time window, right? So it's pretty quick when you're smoking it. If you're consuming it, it's an eight hour ride possibly. So if I consume an edible, typically the average time it takes for it to hit my system is about an hour and 15 minutes. Every time I take an edible, I start a timer to see how long it takes for that one to hit me. And typically about an hour and 15 minutes, but sometimes it's two hours until I finally start feeling it. But then it'll last up to eight hours. So I only take edibles at night. When I know I'm not going anywhere. I would never take one in the morning because it could last all day. And you're gonna go in and out of that high. So you never know, like you might be feeling better, then all of a sudden it's gonna hit back. Oh, really? At least that's how it is for me. And I feel like everybody's experience is a little bit different. Sure. If you're prone to different, like, anxieties or things like that. It can cause your experience to differ. That was one of the other things that I thought was interesting. Is because, you know, Previously, I was probably I I was diagnosed with like adult add or adhd or whatever and my Therapist actually or my psychiatrist or whatever ended up prescribing me on adderall and Having worked in law enforcement and knowing You know adderall is a schedule two narcotic It is highly addictive And there's a lot of people that use it recreationally I noticed there was huge positive benefits for me, benefits for me when I was using it. However, I felt like this internal struggle, struggle of just because I'm using it and I've got a prescription, it's fine for me to use it. It'll show up on drug tests as an amphetamine, and I'm busting people who are using the same thing illegally. It just kind of felt like, like counterintuitive for me. Yeah. Where I finally just decided, you know, I don't want. to play with that because it is so highly addictive. And I've had other friends who've been on Adderall that now they're topped out on their dosages and they're there. It's not effective to them anymore. And their doctors are starting to cut them off. And I can see how that could easily translate them over into using methamphetamine. And that was just scary enough for me that I'm like, you know, I don't want that risk. I don't want that. But, I do know that there is a recent bill that was introduced I believe is in congress to change cannabis from a Schedule one narcotic to a schedule three. Mm hmm. Yeah, there is It's known as the marijuana one to three act pretty pretty straightforward which would be huge and can you believe that marijuana is schedule one and like Adderall a methamphetamine is a schedule two What the thing the thing is that makes it a schedule one is just the fact that it's It's the way they, the way they've set up the schedule. Schedule one is supposed to be, it's highly addictive. It's illegal on the federal level and there's no medical purpose for it. And then schedule two is, it's highly addictive. There is some medical purpose to it, but it's gotta be highly regulated by doctors. Yeah. And then as you go down, it gets less and less. of a burden of addiction versus lethality versus legality, and that's how kind of the drug schedules work. That makes sense. Well, and it sounds like if that's the case, it's going to be a no brainer for them to move it from a Schedule 1 to a Schedule 3, even because there's so many medical uses for it. And it's not as highly addictive as the drug. Yeah, I wouldn't say, so yeah, I wouldn't say that cannabis is, for me, addictive. Like, I don't have to have it. I choose to have it now because I benefit from it greatly. But, at the same time, if I could never have cannabis again, I would be fine. The cool thing is, like the doctor, for my sleep, my insomnia, he said I could try going cannabis. Or I could try sleep deprivation and intentionally giving myself one hour of sleep a night for like a while and then slowly adding more to try and get more and more and more sleep. I'm like, that sounds horrible. I did the cannabis. I, I go to sleep now. I, I, without it, I can still sleep, right? But yeah, so I, I would say that it fixed my insomnia and my stomach feels way better and definitely helps anxiety. Like if I'm having a rough anxiety a day. I can take like a micro dose, like two and a half milligrams for me and I'm good. It really just mellows me down. So hopefully they, they move it down. Yeah. I mean, I've heard of rumors of different agencies, both police and fire and cities and whatnot, putting into their policies that cannabis, if used medicinally can be used. I wonder how that's going to play out because it's still federally illegal or if they'll be like, you know There's certain times that you can use it only on your days off or whatnot. Mm hmm, but I've known cops who are Heavy alcohol users. Yeah that anytime that they're not on duty. They're Drinking there's a lot of excess. Yeah, and so I just wonder how that's gonna play out because you know, they allow the medicinal use You I don't see a reason why, you know, first responders couldn't benefit from it from the PTSD to the insomnia to a lot of other things that we talked about as being positive side effects. I know that those are things that directly affect first responders. Yeah. Well, and like you were saying, like, I think we read it earlier. Alcohol. is Arguably worse for you than than cannabis health wise right destroys your liver issues with the brain like there's so many different things that it that it does and I don't have that full list there cannabis If you're smoking it I can see it causing issues with lungs, right? You're getting like tar and all that crap in your lungs edibles wise Maybe it impacts the liver a little bit, but the it doesn't seem at least the research that's out now You That cannabis has that many negative health impacts when compared to alcohol. Hmm. Yeah. Which is fascinating. But talking about, I kind of want to go to some of those medical benefits to kind of touch on those a little bit. And then I want to talk about some of the hallucinogen effects of cannabis. Cool. So, So when you're looking at cannabis for medicinal use, CBD is legal everywhere. So if you don't have access to THC, you can get CBD and you can find some medicinal usage and help for that. It can help some people with insomnia, depending you can find CBD rubs and lotions for like pain management. So if you don't have access, you can go ahead and try those. Which is interesting because one of my friends who's a first responder. Was using a CBD rub or something on like a back, I don't know what it was for. Mm-Hmm. But they ended up getting drug tested and they tried, tested positive. Oh, wow. Which was wild because that, I didn't even know that was possible with Yeah, just the lotion. Yeah. That's crazy. So he was told, he was like, yeah, you can't, you can't use that lotion anymore. That's wild. But it was like, I had no idea that that would've popped positive. It was really outside the norm. It's, it's fascinating. So I. Was in a car accident and right after the car accident my knee hurt because it smashed to the dash And my friend happened to have a thc cbd Salve rub in the car rubbed it on within 10 minutes. My knee was numbed and it didn't hurt. It's really cool but yeah, so obviously pain management that's what we've been talking about here, right so the the cannabinoids like thc and cbd and the National Academies of Sciences, Engineering and Medicine has actually found it to be effective for chronic pain and adults as well. So, very helpful in that regard. It's also got benefits for Multiple sclerosis, for example, treating that nausea and vomiting. So oftentimes people who are going through chemotherapy or prescribed cannabis, so a good friend of mine. was going through chemo and they prescribed him cannabis. So a lot of the fears is like, Hey, cannabis is going to cause me cancer. But it's funny because I have that fear too. Like if I smoke it, I'm going to get lung cancer. But at the same time, people who are going through treatment for lung cancer are prescribed cannabis. Interesting. So that's fascinating to me. Yeah, absolutely. Appetite stimulation. If somebody who doesn't eat a lot, like people who have AIDS or HIV, HIV, AIDS they might not eat. So there'll be prescribed cannabis. To increase their appetite epilepsy right helps with the seizures and calming all that down Mental health anxiety and ptsd like you said insomnia Neurogenerative diseases this one's really cool. I'm gonna read a Right off of the the search engine here preliminary research suggests that cannabinoids may have neuroprotective properties, which could be beneficial in conditions like Alzheimer's disease, Parkinson's disease, and multiple sclerosis. Like, there's a lot of really cool things that cannabis can do. And the coolest part is you can grow it at home, right? Like you're saying, like there's that fight with the pharmaceutical companies. If you're somebody who is poor and you don't have the ability to pay for these certain things, you can grow your own plants. And you're gonna cut out the pharmaceutical companies and have your own medicine. And I think that's where the biggest fear of cannabis comes from is into self-reliant or self-sustaining. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, I can see that. Yeah, so, and there's a lot of of research on it. If you haven't watched I don't remember what it's called, on, on Hulu, go watch it. No, not read for madness. That's the scare tactic video that came out. But there's a documentary on Hulu about cannabis and the growth that it's gone through over the the and it's old actually and it's still pretty pertinent But the fun part for me, so I started using cannabis for medicinal. Yeah And I still do But I also have found a spiritual You Use for it as well. Cool. I feel like it's connected me to a higher power and better understanding of like who I am in life and everything. And I think part of that comes from the hallucinogen effects of it. But I feel like I've been talking too long, so I want to hear Kyler, first off, like you as a police officer, obviously cannabis is recreationally illegal. Cool. What's your experience been on the streets seeing people using cannabis and like what are you seeing day to day? Well, I don't know. I mean the hardest part is the fact that like most of the time when I come in contact with people Who are using cannabis? It's in the illegal forms. It's in the smoking it because anything Anything that has to be ignited is still illegal so unless you have the medicinal card, you could still do that in utah as well But you have to be at your own property. No, no, no ignition. They sell it though with medical card. You can buy a bud and you can light it. Really? They even sell pre rolled joints. Yeah. Oh, that's strange. That'd be news to me. Yeah. Last I heard is still like ignition, like a flame or something like that. You still can't do all. All I was told is like blister packs and edibles and like tinctures and stuff like that were legal with medicinal card. Yeah. That's changed medicinal cards. We can. We can still search. Yes. See if they're valid or not. So let's see. I'm going to Google it really quick, but yeah, so I believe that changed because there's tons of bud at the dispensaries and they, you can buy pre rolled joints, like I mentioned, and you, yeah, you can, you can smoke it. Yeah. That'd be news to me. I know that they are, if they aren't currently, I know that there's talk about there being changes to. DUI laws and whether or not someone is considered to be under the influence. If they've used, I know previously, you know, someone used in the last 30 days, they'd still show positive on a drug test per marijuana. And so in instances like that, I've known some officers to still take people In custody because they have an illegal substance in their blood or urine, okay however, I do know that there's been changes to that as well that they're there they can't just Have had used it in the last 30 days for it to be considered dui There still has to be some form of impairment Okay, something that makes it so that they cannot operate a vehicle safely on utah roads. How do you check that? There's a lot of different tests in the standard field sobriety tests, but there's additional tests that will help Gauge, you know what someone's perception of time is or or if or if there's a they call it a lack of convergence. So sometimes If you're on cannabis and and someone does this test on you Your eyes can actually not converge together. Okay, like they'll try to converge and then one will just bounce out Okay, and it's really interesting how it works. But the eyes I feel like is a huge gateway to the soul both like in relationships and with DUI investigations Interesting dude, and i'm not finding anything where it's saying that you can smoke it. So You Maybe you're right, which is fascinating why they would sell those things at the dispensaries if you can. I, I don't know why they'd sell them at the dispensaries. I think it's kind of the same how like other things that are illegal or against Utah law can be sold like AutoZone and O'Reilly will sell illegal tent. They'll sell illegal plate covers. They'll sell, they, they can sell whatever they want. Yeah. For their purposes of. So like a vape pen, is that illegal? I, I think. I think a vape pen, I think, I think a cartridge might be legal, but I'm not entirely sure. It's, it's, I think the way I read it last in the law is that it has to be combustible. Okay. So like, Cause there's tons of vape pens. Oh yeah, vapor, vaporization stuff. Yeah. I think that might be legal. Hmm. But I know that the combustion of it, like in bongs or in, or in like joints and stuff. You're right. With a, with a lighter. Got it. I don't know. Maybe maybe they sell buds saying that you can like bake it into stuff. Oh, yeah, that could work I don't know. Yeah, that's fascinating I'm, so yeah fascinated. I don't know. It's one of those things where Because it's so evolving especially in the last 10 years, but even more so in the last four that Like I feel like law enforcement has to stay up on everything because it moves so fast that it's like right Well, what was legal illegal? Is that legal? And then like bouncing back and forth. So every time I feel like every time I catch someone with marijuana, it's like Wait, is this legal now or is it not legal? Let me go do some research really quick because Yeah, I don't want to I don't want to infringe on your rights if it is legal, right? But if it isn't if it isn't legal, then yeah, we're gonna take it and go from there, you know, right? So for somebody like me say I have an edible with me in my vehicle. Sure. And I get pulled over, but I haven't used it or whatever they search. And I have a container of edibles and it's got my prescription on and everything. I'm good. Yeah. If you have a medical card and you have a prescription for it and it's in its original container, I don't see why not. Cool. I mean, they might run you through field sobriety to see if you're currently showing signs of impairment, but if there's no signs of impairment, in my opinion, there's no reason to investigate further. Nice. But most people don't carry stuff in their original packs. Yeah, well, it's hard because like You don't want to take this massive pack Like I said, they make it very difficult to get it out. And so if you take your massive thing Then you're just yeah, yeah, you take it going down to just like a little thing to carry it Yeah, exactly. Well, and it's, you know, I want it to go on this camping trip or I want it to go on this, but I don't want to take 20 edibles. I want one that looks to be in excess too. Yeah, exactly. But it comes in like a pack of 20 or 10. So it's like yeah, so that's makes it difficult. Exactly. So, but that's the same way with any medication. I mean, a lot of people will take their. Their Adderall or other medications and throw it into just like a little pill carrying case. Cause I do that for like ibuprofen and, and acids and allergy medications. Yeah. I have this little pack that Maddie bought me that I'll, that I'll carry around with me either on trips or in my police car because I have such bad allergies. Right. And so I'll take those things. But. None of those things are prescription and when I did have one that was prescription that Maddy wanted to put in that I actually took my prescription sticker off my package and put it on this thing that I carry around because it's like this is my Prescription dude, I would never think of that. That's crazy. I had no idea yeah, and I was just one of those things that I'm like because I mean we see Ibuprofen bottles all the time when we're searching cars that just has a cocktail of pills in it, right? And the person knows what they all are But we don't and so now it takes all this time out of our traffic stop or whatever It may be right to go search all those pills to make sure none of them are supposed to be controlled substances Geez, I need to be in there. They're like some sort of identifying bottle with the prescription. Yeah, that's wild. Yeah, see Another reason for them just legalize cannabis and it's not even you don't have to search anything Yeah, but I think yeah, we're having a regulation of like what is the boundary? I think if there's a way to figure out a test so people can be like, okay, i'm i'm too You Stoned to do anything would be helpful, but I don't know what there would because like on a 2. 5 milligram I know that i'm good like that. It's not doing anything for me Yeah, but if I'd taken it when I was starting my journey, I could have done shit on two and a half milligrams So it's it's kind of a hard thing to monitor, I guess. Yeah, I guess it's also, you know I would also be curious as to Like if if you were actually okay on 2. 5 Because your tolerance might have built up so that like naturally you feel like you're you're okay Functioning because I know that there's alcoholics out there that if they're not Triple or quadruple the legal limit like a point two five. Yeah, then they're not Functioning right and so it becomes a problem for them where they they drive just fine five times the legal limit But if they were lower than that They would be like shaking and having a lot of serious complications. And so we should do a test It'd be interesting to see You What, like how you would measure it. Like if someone, like, how do you make it, how do you make it illegal for someone to use? If you can measure it, like alcohol, you can do a breath test, right? Marijuana. What tests are you going to say? Or what limit are you going to say constitutes someone that's impaired, especially if everyone's so different, it would be very difficult. And how are you going to test it on the side? It'd be very difficult to try to govern that. I think, yeah. Yeah, because the breathalyzer is easy, but then with cannabis, it's like a blood draw basically, right? It'd be a blood draw, but then blood takes forever to get back in the lab. So yeah, there's not anything that's like super quick or reliable that you could just do on the roadside to be like, Oh no, you're under whatever they want to call as a legal limit and safe to operate a vehicle or even worse. Like what, what tests are they going to have? Yeah. Like, I mean, what standard test will they Research study will they do to find out what's illegal, right? Like, cause I know for alcohol, they'll do what's called wet labs where we'll take people voluntarily come in and we will serve them alcohol so that we can have cadets or new officers come and do field sobriety tests on people who are actually intoxicated, right? And have them make decisions whether or not they have to arrest someone. And then we'll have all their numbers of their breathalyzers and everything else to say. Where they're at right if they were over the legal limit or not and just try to Get people used to recognizing the signs and symptoms of that. Yeah, I have no idea how they do that for marijuana Yeah, you're like, hey, we're gonna get a group of people that are all gonna get high together Some are gonna smoke it some are gonna use edibles, whatever and then you're gonna run through field sobriety tests and see What's safe or not? Or are you gonna put'em through driving simulators? Mm-Hmm. And see if they're driving appropriately. Yeah. And at what level? And then like you said, it's tough'cause each person's different. Everyone. And the timing of how long it, yeah. Yeah. So like, it would have to be an entire day thing where some people take the edibles and you just see Yeah. Well and that's what it's like with the wet lab. Yeah. I mean, they have, they have people doing the wet lab and it's, and it's crazy how it works because you know, we'll have people who are giants that. Can really pound the alcohol and will serve a lot of alcohol and they'll still be like a point 0. 05. Yeah. Totally fine. But then there'll be people that are lighter that are, you know, lightweights or whatnot that will have like two shots and they'll be messed up. Yeah, man. Yeah. I'm super curious. Now I'm going to have to, we'll have to hang out one of these days when I use my edible and you can do a sobriety test on me, I guess, whatever you can figure out. I don't know. Yeah, it'd be interesting. Let's talk some of the things before we end the podcast of some of the the hallucinative Impacts I can have and I'll just let you know if I've had that experience or not. Sure. So the first one it mentions is Well, it's already at the beginning so cannabis can produce hallucinogen effects hallucinogenic effects, particularly when consumed in a high dose or by individuals who are sensitive to psychoactive components. The primary psychoactive component in cannabis is delta nine tetrahedral THC. There are some hallucinogenic effects associated in cannabis use. So for me, I have had hallucinogenic effects that other friends who have been using cannabis for years haven't and who use way higher doses and never have. I can use a lower dose and I will, right? So you're more sensitive to the psychoactive? To the psychoactive part. And which is one of those things where it's, you know, varies from person to person. But one, altered perceptions. So visual distortions. Users may experience visual changes in visual perception, such as seeing colors more vividly, noticing patterns that seem to move or breathe, and experiencing halos or trails around objects. There's auditory changes sounds may seem distorted louder quieter than usual Some users report hearing music or noises that aren't present. So i've had both of those so i've Definitely had colors just be way more vivid. I've felt like i've Felt and seen other things breathing like the couch like the life force of things Yeah, but if couch is kind of weird, but like yeah, I like seeing that right? Out in nature. I was seeing trees breathing You I haven't had really like the halos or trails the distorted sounds like louder when I'm stoned a like a rapid like Sudden sound scares the crap out of me because all of a sudden just it's just it's way more overpowering kind of thing but also I've been able to like see And enter into the music So like I watched the bob marley movie stoned and I was like In the movie experiencing and feeling the sensation of the music and like smelling like all those sensations were coming from The music interesting, which is cool Time distortion altered sense of time cannabis can make time feel as though it is passing more slowly or quickly Minutes can feel like hours or vice versa, right? This is one that we test on Okay in law enforcement for field sobriety. So i've had that only happened to me once. Yeah, and it was terrifying You Because usually I'm like really good on top of things. At least in my percentage it only happened once. The slowing of time happened once. Maybe times happened faster. I don't know. But the slowing of time for me was crazy because I thought hours had passed and it had been minutes. Yeah. It was terrifying. That's fun because this one when we do on the side of the road we'll have someone estimate the passage of 30 seconds. Okay. And it's fun because someone who currently high on marijuana could last much longer. Yeah. 40 50 a minute. Yeah and a half. We gotta try that one And it's just wild because they're just like they're counting in their heads and the next thing you know, they're like Fuck I was counting and you're sitting there going like Are you done dude? I could totally see that happen because i've been brushing my teeth before And bec starts laughing i'm brushing my teeth and I start looking up at the light above the sink And then I teleported myself to a beach I was on a beach in hawaii And this the light in my Light in the bathroom turned into the sun and I was just standing on the beach looking at the sun feeling nice and warm In the middle of winter. It was amazing. Yeah, and then it came to us like oh frick. I'm brushing my teeth So I could totally see that like that's what's happening. Like, oh, yeah 30 seconds. Yeah. Yeah Let's see heightened sensory perception Users often report enhanced sense of smell taste touch flavors seem more intense and physical sensations May be heightened. This is true 100 percent happens. Depersonalization. Some users may feel detached from their body and experience a sense of being an observer of their own actions. Yeah, I've seen that happen too. I've had that happen. External world may seem unreal or distant or dreamlike. I haven't had that so much, but I have felt like there's multiple of these worlds and different existences all together in one. Like different planes? Yeah, exactly. Euphoria, I mean that's one that people most associate cannabis with, I think, is you know, the cannabis induced euphoria, relaxation, well being. And then mood swings, apparently. Rapid changes in mood from euphoria to anxiety to paranoia. That's going to happen a lot more with people who are susceptible to anxiety attacks. Changes in short term memory, altered thought processes becoming more fluid or free associative leading to creative insights, or conversely to confusion and difficult focusing. So you can just see patterns, find different things, experience different trains of thought. And I think that's where my thought on like spirituality comes, like when I'm using cannabis, my spiritual experience has changed there. More of a A thought inward like you feel more connected. I feel more connected inward but also Outward and it's hard to explain like you you feel yourself on a deeper level like you Better understand who you are and then when you're looking outward you have a deeper connection with other people that you are around like It's almost like your energy connects with their energy And then when you're in nature, you just have like this, all of a sudden, like for example if you go to Google Earth, and then you start scrolling out, Earth just zooms out, right, or you zoom in and just zoom super close, like you can do that, at least I've had experience like on cannabis, where it's like, okay I'm here, but then all of a sudden you zoom out and you're like, all of this plays a part of the picture, like all of this is together, so you have that change of perspective where you're looking, what you're seeing. And then the physical impacts. So those are the experiences that we have, you know, that you can have with cannabis. There's a lot of others different strains, but yeah. Wow. Yeah. I know, I know a lot of my friends have used and consumed cannabis. And even though I never have, I'm always curious to know their, their thought processes and feelings and how it goes like that. So I think this is a really good episode. Got a lot to learn. There's a lot more to learn. Yeah, but don't be afraid of what you don't know about It might not be as bad as you think and we'll catch you next time