The Eye-ler Perspective
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The Eye-ler Perspective
24 - Paganism and Sibling Rivalry
Join us this week as we discuss a bit about Kyler's change in religious perspective and a funny story of sibling rivalry that could end badly.
Welcome everybody. Welcome everybody to another episode of the Islay Perspective. Again, excited to be joining you all today. We have an exciting story to be shared. It's going to entail several things. Religion, paganism, alcohol, concerts, falling, dying, shitting. Thanks for tuning in.
Kyler Gilstrap:Maybe not the last one, the last two. Anyways let's go ahead and get into it. Sweet. Welcome everybody back. This is going to be fun. I hope to make this as fun as I can without making it sound like too intense. So I want to tell a lot of stories, but in order for me to tell these stories, I feel like I need a little bit of background in it so you guys can kind of understand my perspective. So I grew up in the LDS church and I loved it. I know we've talked about in previous podcasts that I wanted to be an apostle at one point, which would have been sweet. Didn't work out, but after serving my mission and getting married once and getting divorced and getting married again and going and getting sealed in the temple and doing all the things I need to do to make it to the top and to the end. I just started feeling different, indifferent about it all. And the more I tried to find a balance, the harder I was for me to justify things. And this isn't going to be stories about What quote unquote broke my shelf or what led me to where I am now, but I'm just going to do a really quick fast forward, a little key points over the time so that we can get to where we're going. Okay. Not too long ago I was a Sunday school teacher in my last ward and I loved 17 year old class. So much fun because I feel like that's the hardest age to be able to justify things from the church because you got so much You got so much Polarizing perspectives from the outside world from your friends from you know pressure about going on missions all these other things and I had had an opportunity We were studying the Old Testament And one of the things that I was, that I thought very interesting was thinking about the Abrahamic covenant and what, what did Abraham's father believe in before the Abrahamic covenant. And I started to realize that Abraham's father believed in paganism or in multiple gods or things like that. And so I started looking into that a little bit more. And I kind of had my own personal reflection where I realized that from my perspective, Mormonism wasn't monotheistic. They didn't just believe in one God because we had the potential of becoming gods ourselves. And so we believed in polytheism or multiple gods, or there's God, the father, God, the son, God, the Holy spirit. And so I'm like, that's multiple gods right there. And so from my perspective. I started to understand God. It was more of like a title or like a position rather than just one singular person. As I started to understand more about multiple gods, it opened up my perspective to be able to welcome. All gods into my realm of possibility and I really enjoyed learning from other perspectives about their gods whether it was buddha or allah or You know, whoever it may have been that was meaningful for them in their religion and their perspective that really drove My yearning for learning. There's a good little tagline for you
Tyler Zeeman:I think it's interesting just to pause real quick here. Yeah, I know. This is
Kyler Gilstrap:really really fast
Tyler Zeeman:your your view You So we, we had Britain just recently talk about how he went to a state of acknowledging the possibility of no God, right? You went to the possibility of all gods, all gods, which is so fascinating when you look at everybody's path out of whatever belief system that they had, everybody's is different and it goes to different spaces,
Kyler Gilstrap:which I love. That's, that's been the most exciting thing because you know, for so long you're driven to only study one thing. That it's, it's, when you, when you take that step back and allow yourself the grace to study everything the world is open to you and it's just an unreal experience. But for me, what had happened was as I was studying about, you know, life before the Abrahamic covenant, I life before Christianity, I was, I was finding that there was a lot of. Yeah. A lot of push to multiple gods that there was gods for different realms. There's gods for different things, and I can see how people back then might have seen that they might have said, you know, Hey, we're, we're getting hit with a lot of hurricanes and they didn't know about meteorology and weather and everything else that this was just hurricane season. And so in their mind. They, they made some sort of sacrifice or they said some of some sort of prayer and then the hurricane stopped. And so for them, they believed, Hey, you know, a plus B equals C. We just did this. This stopped the gods. The God over this must be happy with us. And it would just make sense to me that they would make those correlations. And as time goes on, they might go, Oh, we're wicked again, or, Oh, we're making bad choices or the gods are mad with us that this is happening to us. And then something would happen that they felt that they personally made an impact on for that, for that outcome to be. So with that being said, I went out and did some hunting and while I was out hunting, that's when I had my first real experience with. What I would, what I would say is my perspective in the Gods that I believe in. And I would say that's the old Gods, you know, the Odin, the, the Freya, the Thor, all those gods that people like to think of when they think of like, Marvel, Marvel movies or the, the TV show, the Vikings or something like that, to that ex extent. But for me it became very real because I can't go anywhere without seeing Ravens. You know, they're, they're always following me. I feel like it's just a spiritual thing that's connected to me. And every time I see that I feel closer to divinity. And I feel like I want to be closer with gods that are there that exist with me rather than one that I might never see or hear or talk to. Like I want it to be real. And one of the things I studied was, so just to pause.
Tyler Zeeman:Yeah, sure. It sounds like from somebody on the outside without insider knowledge of paganism.
Kyler Gilstrap:Sure.
Tyler Zeeman:That you're saying a raven is God
Kyler Gilstrap:No, a raven is a symbol for odin. Okay, so odin has two ravens They're called hugin and munin and they're thought and memory And what it is is odin will send these ravens out every morning And they are supposed to encompass the whole world And they come back and bring thought and memory and those are kind of like the important things For him, it's really cool reading about the sagas and reading about the different stories and the theology behind the old gods, because it was very much that they were a part of humankind. And one thing that I learned that I really enjoyed was back when Christianity came to be and they were, Trying to convert all the pagans and pagans and heathens and stuff like that were used as like satanic terms or terms to be Like, oh, they're just heathens or they're pagans. They're bad people. They worship false gods and devils What I found out was is those who were pagan believed in multiple gods and if the people who were teaching Christianity came to them and said Hey, we've got another God You That you can also believe in and this is what he does and teach about, you know, Christ or God in that way I think they would have been a lot more receptive But the problem is is their message was you have to forsake all of your gods and follow this one quote unquote true god
Tyler Zeeman:And
Kyler Gilstrap:that's hard to do especially for pagans because they're walking with their gods like they're real to them. It's not Like oh, yeah, let's just give up some make believe thing to believe in some other make believe thing. It's like no You We've seen them we've talked to them and now you're telling us to say no those guys aren't real They've protected us in battle. They protected us on the sea. They brought us children. They brought us food Like there's so many things that was so real to them that it doesn't it doesn't shock me that there was that that That struggle between them
Tyler Zeeman:when I think To be fair I think that's the same spot for everybody in every religion trying to get people to leave their religion There's been so many reaffirming experiences for them in their own unique way that it's, you can't just pull people away from it. I mean, even you and I, we've had those experiences where we prayed in the woods and a torrential downpour stopped only around us. It was still going all around, but there was a circle around us where it wasn't. And so you can take that and latch that onto your faith and say, it's because of your one religion. Or, you can credit it to a god or multiple gods, and anybody who would've prayed with faith, maybe that god would've stopped it, right? But, I guess my point in that is, Everybody has these experiences that they latch onto, which could just be a natural human experience, but we tie it to religion.
Kyler Gilstrap:Absolutely. Yeah, that's that. You're absolutely correct. And my, my biggest thing in bringing this all about was the fact that the reason why I, I choose to identify as pagan or to believe in the old gods is because my definition of paganism isn't something that was like animal sacrifices or anything satanic in that nature. My definition of paganism is the fact that I am willing and open to respect all people in their beliefs and understandings. And I hold the same for myself. So for my perspective of paganism, I wear a Mjolnir for, which is Thor's hammer to protect me, and I believe in an afterlife such as Valhalla that warriors can go to, but I don't hold any animosity or hatred towards any other religion. The way I see it being pagan is being open to. Believe in your own gods and your own perspective and find your own spirituality because everyone's perspective is very unique But holding that safe space for everyone else to do the same I am NOT gonna try to force anyone else to be pagan. That's not my perspective. I Am gonna do what's best for me and I'm gonna identify as such and I expect others to do what's best for them And I will protect them and whatever it may be Well, you're doing a lot
Tyler Zeeman:of what? I mean, general Christianity or religions that believe in Jesus Christ and God do, right? Mormons or folks of the LDS church wear garments to remember God. And their promises to God and you're wearing Thor's hammer. Is that what you said for Odin? Yep. Mjolnir. Mjolnir and They're thinking about going living when the presence of lith in heaven You're thinking of Valhalla similar thing you go and look at you know Other religions that are wearing the cross or doing several things. So there's a lot of commonality like And I think that's what I like about your perspective is you're not denying the possibility of these other gods existing You You're just living in harmony with all of them Being deities that can help you be a better person. Absolutely
Kyler Gilstrap:And why why limit yourself? That's my perspective Why am I going to limit myself to just one when I can have all? And I can be a respecter of all persons One of the big things that I really enjoyed when I was mormon Was the the article of faith that we claim in worshiping almighty god And give space for everyone else to do the same And yet sometimes I don't feel that space is safe for others to do the same because their full mission is to bring others to come unto Christ.
Tyler Zeeman:Yeah. It kind of goes back to our last episode of going from a point of understanding instead of a point of being understood. Exactly.
Kyler Gilstrap:And so my biggest thing is I'm going to believe in what I believe in and I expect people to respect that and understand it. And I will do the same for you and I'll hold space for you And i'm not here trying to convert anyone and I don't expect anyone to try to convert me and so I In all that I really enjoy My new perspective because it allows me the grace and possibility to learn about everyone and not be completely Shut off into a mainstream box or prededicated term of what I can and can't do. Right. If that
Tyler Zeeman:makes sense. Yeah, no, it makes sense. And I, I love that you went down this. I know it's just scratching the surface of why paganism and what it is you believe. Good stories. Exactly. So that's what I was going to say. So you've given us this intro. How does that tie into the story of the concert?
Kyler Gilstrap:So before I go to the story of the concert, I wanted to talk about the story of going to Norway. Cause, cause my grandmother, on my father's side, is Swedish. She's like 100 percent Swedish, basically came from Sweden. And she married my grandpa, who was Native American. And it's really cool because both the Swedish, like the Norwegian, or the, the Scandinavian culture, Has a cool link with Native American culture and history. Okay, because of how much Exploration that was done by the vikings.
Tyler Zeeman:Okay,
Kyler Gilstrap:that was done before christopher columbus So they knew about the Indians, they were good friends and it's really cool because there's a lot of similarities from tribes and learning about tribal Mentality and that's really kind of neat to see that there was alpha males and there was there was Structure even within a tribe, right? And so My for my golden birthday My brother asked me what I wanted to do and I told him I wanted to go to Norway and he's like cool Let's go And I was like, no way we're doing this. And so
Tyler Zeeman:that's such a cool brother.
Kyler Gilstrap:Oh, I know my brother is
Tyler Zeeman:Talia. I'm sorry. I can't do that for you guys yet.
Kyler Gilstrap:My brother's absolutely the best. I can't believe he made this work out. It was so cool, but we had an opportunity a couple of years back to go to Norway and just sitting in the fjord. I mean, growing up Tyler to tell you that I had dreams of tall mountains covered in thick pine trees, just falling off into cliffs into water. That, that, that was, those were my dreams was sitting inside fjords. And so being in Arlen's fjord where the city of Flom is was so ethereal for me. Like it touched my soul more than anything I can, I can explain. Felt like you were going back home. Not only that, not only that I was going back home, but that I was home. Like I, I was where I was meant to be. Like I, it was so cool for me to sit there and meditate. At the end of the peninsula and flow and just, it was cold, man. It was March, it was freezing in Norway, but the sun was to my back and I didn't need a jacket on, like I just felt so warm and I have pictures of, of this, this view that I was looking at and it felt like I'd been there before. Whether to share that picture with us, I can post it. Yeah, I'll give it to you. Whether it's past life regression, whether it's, you know, my spirit being with nature, but just being in that one moment, Was so real for me that I just started tearing up and crying because I'm like I finally found home And I feel like so many people fight hard To try to find where they belong or where they fit in That to finally get to the point where they feel like they're at home Is a big deal is a huge deal. So I I loved it so much But one of the reasons I really wanted to go to norway is because I wanted to go to a thing called midgard's blood which is like a Viking metal festival that I was trying to convince my brother to go to, but it was in August and he wanted to go for his birthday in March. So we went in March. Anyway, there's a band called Halum, and it is a Scandinavian folk band where they create all their own instruments by hand out of like animal skins and stuff like that. Drums and flutes and. All sorts of different instruments and they had a concert in the Red Rocks in Colorado. And I was able to convince my brother to go to that. I felt bad because I initially said, you know, this is a Viking metal band and it's not. It's a very much more folk music. But I convinced him to go to that and we had the opportunity to go and it was life changing. It was great. It was so cool. Life changing. Yeah. Life changing. Like it's just a concert. It's just a concert. You say it's just a concert, but when you go, everyone has that perspective of like, we're all interconnected, like there's energy, there's connection. We're all a part of one. We're all one. And so when you go to a Halen concert and you listen to the music and before they even start, they have a ritual where they bless the stage and they bless themselves and they cleanse themselves with, with sage or with Palo Santo. And they just cleanse the energy and they just prepare themselves to be able to give of their talent to the people. And they do it all on stage so you can all see. So you're all sitting there going through like their pre show ritual of preparing themselves, body, body, mind, soul, spirit, to be able to perform this for the gods, for the people in the, in the crowds, you know, is, it was very touching. And as my brother and I sat there and you just, you just felt the music just pierce you. That's one of the things I love about music is how it, It completely washes through all race, culture, creed, everything to touch the hearts. Even if you don't understand the language they're singing, which fun
Tyler Zeeman:perspective to come in here. A lot of Colts will use music to pull people in because music naturally pulls at those soul strings and makes you feel good. And so a lot of Colts will use it as a recruiting method.
Kyler Gilstrap:Sure. Yeah, and everything has their own music, like everything will have their own, their own styles or their own songs or whatnot, but, but just sitting there listening to it, like you could feel it. And as I, and as I was just feeling it in my soul, I was just crying. Like I'm just sitting in the concert crying. It's resonated to my soul and I'm looking around and we're all one. And it's so cool because you'll get on the chat forums and stuff about the Facebook groups or whatnot, all going to this concert. And everyone is like brothers and sisters and family and everyone's there to help each other and there's no like I'm, not better than you. You're not better than me. We're all one We're all there and we're all experiencing it together And it's just it's just a full experience that I can't it's hard to explain but it was so meaningful that it just like It cracks me up. I, I can't wait to have my brother on the podcast because he'll tell you from his perspective. But one of the funny things that he told me as we were driving back home that night was, he's like I think I believe in the old gods now. What was his perspective before? He'll have to be the one to explain it, but I would want to say he leaned more a little to like atheism, like Or maybe agnostic, I'm not entirely sure what he wanted to identify as, but I know for a very long time he wanted to believe in there's no sort of deity, which I understand, but I'll, I'll let him articulate his perspective if he cares to do so, but for him saying that to me, it just kind of made me laugh because I'm like, this is the way that I felt, I feel like I'm on the correct path for me. And I'm not I've never tried to influence anyone else and it was just funny for him to say that to me because I'm like Oh, that's kind of cool. Like I didn't I didn't expect that right, but there's another concert coming up in October No that I can't wait to go to in Colorado again. Also at Red Rocks Yes, and this is a band called Ward Runa and it's very similar to Halen but Ward Runa was first and Halen kind of took the, I, I would say that they kind of took the idea of like wardroona, but then amplified it and made it like a worldwide tour. So I feel like wardroona was first, they do similar kind of things, but also kind of a little slower to willing to like go out and tour. So this is really cool. And so it's going to be fun. I can't wait. We're already, we're already getting our tickets to go back to that. But. The reason I go through all this is cause I wanted to tell this story about my brother and I, after the concert, we went to this a dive bar in the middle of Denver. It's a really funny dive bar. It's like a, it's like a metal dive bar. I always forget the name, but I have it saved in my phone with some funny photos. I'll show you later. Okay. But we were there just having a good time. What not turns out everyone that was there was also coming from the concert. And so it was just more family all together in this bar, just hanging out. And we had rode scooters like those little pay for like the, what are they called? They have so many different brands, all those different brands. We rode those scooters over there and as we were getting ready to leave, I didn't want to walk back his, his, his apartment isn't far, but I didn't want to walk back. I wanted to ride it. And being my older brother, I feel like he always loves to try to make things competitions. And I didn't care to make anything a competition. And so we were, we were riding on these scooters and all of a sudden, like we're pinned at how fast we were going. And I'm about, I got about a hundred pounds on my brother right now. And you guys were drunk. Yes, we were intoxicated and he was, he was clearly beating me. Like there was no chance I was going to beat him. And I told him like, dude, I got a hundred pounds on you. There's no way I'm going to catch up or win or anything like that. And I just. No contest. He was going to beat me. But being that we were brothers, it was a contest. And as we were getting to the very end, like we were about to turn to get to his apartment. And I remember he looked back to see if he was still beating me, which he was beating me by a long shot and he hit a pothole in the street and it launched him about 10 to 15. Oh my God. And he didn't have a helmet. No. Face first into a curb. Like I just watched my brother curb stomp himself. And he's a doctor too, right? You had to go in. Yes. Yes. And I was, I was so scared. I, I, but I, I couldn't help but laugh. I was crying, laughing because I just watched him eat shit and you won. I felt bad. I stopped because I stopped and I jumped off the scooter. I was like, dude, are you okay? And he rolls over. He's like, no, I'm not okay. And he's got me. He's 10 years older than me too. I'm going to throw that underneath the bus. He's probably in better shape. He's Oh, he's definitely in better shape. Not to throw you under the bus, but no, no, no. From what we talked about him, but he's 10 years older than me and he loves teasing me because when we go places, he's always like, guess who's older. Yeah. They always say it's me. So that's cool. But yeah, he ate shit and I'm sitting there and I'm like, are you okay? He's like, no, I'm not. Okay. And he rolls over. I'm like, dude, like, Oh, I'm so scared. Like I thought he broke a face or broke a collarbone or something, you know? And he gets up and he has like this little. Blood coming down his his face. He got a little bit above his mustache by his nose and I was just like Oh man, let's like make sure you're okay. And he was embarrassed. He's as more so embarrassed than anything else. And then the best part was, is he just goes, man, my wife's going to kill me. He's like, she tells me all the time not to ride these scooters. And I'm now I have to call her and tell her the truth. And that's fun. He's like, I'm so scared. And Oh man, it was bad. But she just, when we, when we called and told him, told her, she just laughed at him and was like, man, I told you not to do that. Not no more of that you got to be done, but It was such a good time And that's that's mostly what this whole thing was about was just trying to get that story about how he was totally beating me But because he looked back he ate shit on a curb and it was hilarious But yeah, I can't wait till we can convince my brother to be on this podcast with us. He'll be great I've got to say I feel like
Tyler Zeeman:you could have just said you guys went to a bar and had a race
Kyler Gilstrap:Yeah, we could have just, I could have just said that, but like it, you got to build up to understand why we would go to a red rock show like Halum. I mean, you didn't even have to talk about it. It was, but that was why we got to the bar. Like we wouldn't have gone to the bar if it wasn't for that concert. Okay. And so, yeah, there was a lot of buildup for just that short story,
Tyler Zeeman:I guess. But I, I want to go back again. You mentioned that band makes their own instruments with like animal skin, all these things. I feel like that resonates once again with the comfort crisis going into nature Having those natural sounds and those natural frequencies Is different? Yeah, it is and when you can just sit and listen to I had an ad the other day for like a hand pan It's like a metal drum thing Yeah, yeah But there was a rain one and they just set it out in the rain and they let the rain create this music and it was the most beautiful sound Nature is crazy and You can have some really unique experiences with it Another thing for those of you who are looking for perhaps some type of enlightenment enlightenment, maybe you can't go Up into the mountains or whatever, but you want to fill some of these experiences like that. Kyler's felt of having Oh nature is my church now. Well nature is your church now, right? But some people don't really have the ability to go out to nature Sure So if you're looking for that ability to have an experience like that or like these feelings that kyler felt at that concert You another thing are float tanks or deprivation tanks. I was actually getting a massage the other day and I was talking about the float tank with the massage therapist and she mentioned how she loved them and miss them at her place because they had just gotten rid of them to go to the Eagle Mountain. Yeah. Yeah. But she was saying that she's, she's had like an experience where she fills people when they get high. Experience where she they have said that before for those deprivation. Yeah,
Kyler Gilstrap:I've never
Tyler Zeeman:experienced it,
Kyler Gilstrap:but I know people have talked about that
Tyler Zeeman:yeah, so i've had that too and I was shocked when she said that because she just had this amazing experience where she felt she Was out of body and just it was so calming and refreshing and recharging I've had that experience as well where I went in there and had an experience where I was just having a full on visual experience almost like dreaming, but I was fully awake You and I feel like that can have a really cool experience. So if you're looking for a unique opportunity, and I think it's more coming from just not, you don't feel the rest of your body, the water is the same temperature as your body. So you kind of lose. the feeling of your body and it's dead silent inside of it and you're just floating and it's it's a really cool experience. If you haven't done it before, I suggest trying it. And probably trying it a couple times. It takes people a little bit to get used to the first time I did it. I got nauseous
Kyler Gilstrap:for sure.
Tyler Zeeman:Yeah. Anyways, point being, you can find Spiritually uplifting experiences in nature. You can find very spiritually uplifting experiences in silence. And one of those places you can do that in a, in a city is those deprivation tanks.
Kyler Gilstrap:Oh, very good. I was also going to tell you a story about my, my kids. We just, we just went on a hike the other day. I say it's a hike, but it's like. Less than a half mile. It was like maybe a third of a mile But it's this place in Spanish work called dripping rock beautiful. I love it. It's so fun I I used to go there all the time as a kid, you know I've heard people call it also call it kissing rock, but my wife had never been there and I was like, oh, let's go We've got to go. So we go there the other day and as we're sitting down there like At first planning on getting in the water because we've had a few search and rescues up there where it just all of a sudden high flow water comes down the river. No kidding. Yeah. And it just, it's just runoff. It's just a spring runoff or a summer runoff and everything, but sometimes it just catches you a little off guard. And so we've had to take care of some people who have also slipped and fall in the rocks because they're covered in moss. But. We went down there and I wasn't planning at first to get in the water, but then I was like, dude, we're here. We got to get in the water, you know? So I get down in the water with my kids, having a good time, whatnot. And then I have to be the bad dad that just starts dunking my kids in this, in this river. And it was so funny. Luckily, my kids are good enough that it's not the end of the world. They're happy. They're able to have a good time with it. But at, at, at different points, I was able to both get. Sailor and Evelyn dunked in the water and they were having a good time to the point that we built like little chairs in the water so that we could sit down in it. And that's, that's kind of the thing that I was really enjoying was just kind of sitting in the nature, feeling the water on my skin, like it's such a sound of the trickling water off the dripping rocks. Yes. Oh my gosh. It's just so freaking tranquil. Like you just feel at peace. And so I just, I just laid on my back in this river. Just kind of suspended as I was just feeling the water and just closing my eyes and felt the sun coming through the trees. And it was amazing. I loved it so much, but it was funny because when I dunked myself in the water, I guess Maddie was watching a family down the river who I guess was watching me dunk. My girls in and they're kind of laughing and whatnot, but when they saw me get in the water I guess she said that dad was like now I have to get in Like I have no excuse. Yeah, and I was like, yeah get on in the water's fine Like I didn't I didn't realize that they were watching us that closely But maddie has like some pictures and videos and they were just like, oh, they're dunking their daughters What's gonna happen and it was it was fine, but it was so much fun. I loved it It was a good experience for us to just get out in nature And just become one and I love I love water. There's just something about Being in the mountains and just being able to dip into a river. I made the joke to Matty I was like, well, there's my monthly river bath like, all right good Oh, I don't need to wash again for another month as a joke. I
Tyler Zeeman:Love that if so funny story with her about a month ago and Reed and I were down there playing and then Becca and Amelia came over. I decided to put Amelia on and the baby carrier. And so she's strapped onto the front of me and Becca and Reed are walking through this deeper spot. And I'm like, Oh, that looks like a lot of fun. It's really deep. I'm going to go through what's tri crossing and Amelia was out of the water. She was fine strapped to your strap to my chest. But as I'm taking these careful steps, all of a sudden I step on a huge rock that makes me sprain my ankle and I start stumbling.
Kyler Gilstrap:No.
Tyler Zeeman:And I've got Amelia who at this point is like five months, four and a half months old. And I'm like stumbling like, Oh God, please don't fall. Please don't fall. I almost fall face first, like into the water. I would have landed straight on top of her and she would have been buried. I able to grab onto Becca and catch myself. But it was terrifying. I thought that Amelia was going under the water. Yeah. That's a, that's an early baptism for sure. Five months old. But yeah. Beautiful spot. Another, another recommendation. If you've never been to dripping rock, go check it out. Just
Kyler Gilstrap:get out in nature. Just get out in nature. Enjoy yourself. Enjoy. Your friends and family around if you don't have any find some if you need some Give us a call freaking email us. We'll we'll i'll go out to dripping walk with anyone. That'll be fun It'd be a good
Tyler Zeeman:time. So
Kyler Gilstrap:yeah,
Tyler Zeeman:I mean go out and do that the treasure hunt go find that 25, 000 that's out there. Is that still out there? It's still out there. What's
Kyler Gilstrap:what's the new clues
Tyler Zeeman:that are all going on? The clues in spanish
Kyler Gilstrap:The clues in Spanish? Yeah, the clues in Spanish. I Like Spanish that you know? Spanish? Or Spanish like Spanish fork? No, like, in
Tyler Zeeman:Spanish.
Kyler Gilstrap:It's in the language of Spanish. Yeah.
Tyler Zeeman:Oh, okay. Let's see. I don't know if they've got an English one posted. Are all the
Kyler Gilstrap:clues in Spanish?
Tyler Zeeman:No. Oh, just the last one? Well, the very first one. Oh, okay. The main one. Is in Spanish. So yeah, I don't know how to help you guys with that. You, I mean, there's translated versions of it already, just by your, I mean, I can read it to you in Spanish if you want, but it's not going to, everyone loves, loves to listen to your voice in Spanish. Si sufres dolor, que se cura con oro, busca el alta, o el tajo donde canta el coro, nombra, and then it continues. It's like, it sounds like a. Something about looking high. So basically it says if you suffer pain that is cured with gold, look where the choir sings. You'll find a place, look for the place by which he, by which he or it is named and turn around and follow the shadow. Where did you learn the smell of ice cream? Or where did you eat lobster in the past? When you turn and looked at the sunrise or sunset, I think it's a sunrise follow straight. I know you can do it. Look at the numbers as if you were a crow. The age when he arrived is what you observe. Now, as you get closer, the last clue, or the last path, move to the place with the best view. Something along those lines. That's my rough translation. I don't know. Park City's gotta
Kyler Gilstrap:be like the only
Tyler Zeeman:place you can have lobster and look back towards the sunset. Or sunrise. But also think about it, but that's out of the boundaries. The boundaries is east of I 15 and like on the, the, this mountain. Wasatch Front? Wasatch Front. Wasatch Front. And everywhere you go has cell phones, service and reception. And the furthest North is Ogden for the South is Spanish fork. Really? And so a lot of people are thinking, Hey, it could be in Spanish fork since it's in Spanish for the very first clue. That's a little too easy. Spanish fork.
Kyler Gilstrap:That's prima facie.
Tyler Zeeman:But there's, there's several. Ideas it is in the mountains. So it's on the Wasatch front between Ogden Spanish Fork on the mountain.
Kyler Gilstrap:Hmm
Tyler Zeeman:interesting But their whole reason of doing this is to get families out in nature and hiking.
Kyler Gilstrap:Is that it? Yeah Oh, that's why
Tyler Zeeman:they say that.
Kyler Gilstrap:Yeah I want to know where they're getting
Tyler Zeeman:all this money from well, so they're flippers. They're they're home flippers So they started it that way now they have partnerships. They have a couple of partnerships that they've teamed up that are helping fund the pot interesting so Let's see. First class fireplace is one of them. That is the sponsors this year, but it's really fun. I'm
Kyler Gilstrap:surprised that they do that. Yeah Hey that painting you have on the wall.
Tyler Zeeman:Did
Kyler Gilstrap:you do that?
Tyler Zeeman:Where that one? No, so beautiful. It's incredible Yeah, so that's the Teton's I'll actually give a shout out to to her and I highly doubt that she listens But I like I said, I like to support people that I know and their endeavors. Oh, her name is Madeline. There's a lot
Kyler Gilstrap:of Maddie's. Yeah, for real. I thought, I thought that was the Tetons. I was like, man, that looks amazing. I was like, did, did she do that? I love the shadows and everything. It looks so real. Yeah.
Tyler Zeeman:So this, this girl, she's I met her up at BYU, Idaho. We were both rec majors and I'm going to see if I can search by. We got to get you and Becca out to a paint night. Yeah. Yeah. Madeline Zanger, Z E N G E R. And she has a lot, a lot of beautiful paintings and she sells them and they're great. Let's see. Go to her profile here. You can buy her art on Etsy at Z E N G E R dot com. A R T shop. etsy. com. But yeah, she does some really good stuff of nature scenes. And they're, they're very fairly Christ
Kyler Gilstrap:sunset
Tyler Zeeman:picture over the
Kyler Gilstrap:ocean with the water coming in and that foam on the sand looks so realistic. That is so cool. Geez. Yeah. Beautiful job Madeline.
Tyler Zeeman:So yeah, I love to support people that I know. So if you have a business, you have something that you want to promote, I mean, feel free to do it. Let us know. We would be happy to mention your name again. If you want a hat, a custom hat, go to honey hats. co. You can go to their Instagram. If you are looking for art, go ahead and go to, to Zenger art and get some beautiful. Nature scenes. And if you're looking for a unique experience to settle your soul and connect with yourself, go to a float tank or can play disc golf with Kyler and I. Yeah. Yeah. Well, we'll take you out for disc
Kyler Gilstrap:golf so we can square at the trees together. Damn trees. All right, man. Well, Isler perspective. Reach out to us at the Isler perspective at gmail. com so that we can get you on the show and send us any questions you have. Thanks for listening. Go have some
fun.